This is the video for the August 28, 2024 AFT Know What's Up on the Compressed Calendar Negotiations Update. Click here to view the full update.
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And if everybody could please your mic, I'd appreciate it. Hi! My name is Nathan Cole, and
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I would like to welcome you to our emergency virtual Zoom session.
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I am the chief negotiator for the compressed calendar, and there are several people on the call. There are several of my team members, Teresa Bonham, who's also our president. We have Angelica Gonzales, who is on the team.
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Christina Lee is on the team.
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I know that
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Is Letty here?
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Letty Mojica will be late, but she's also on our team. She's accounts. She's the transfer counselor at Moorpark. I'm mean not Moorpark at Oxnard, and then we also have Angela Wilkins, who is a part time, math faculty at Moorpark, and she'll be joining us later as well. thank you all for coming. I know that this is kind of late, and it's been a long day. So I'm just going to dive right in so that we can get going.
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Alright, and let me get where I need to go.
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Moving my zoom screens around.
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There we go!
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So
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Obviously you're all here to hear about the compressed calendar where we are, and the Article 3 Reopener.
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And so I would like to start with some of the wins that we have achieved
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since the beginning of the negotiations process.
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There is somebody clearing their throat. I don't know who you are, but if you could just
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mute your mic, I’d really appreciate it. Thank you.
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So these are some of the articles that we've settled or we've TA’ed. We've settled Article 8, which is about leaves, Article 13, which is about department chairs and Article 17, which is about Federation rights. There's nothing really important or all that dramatic that we changed in this mostly went back and made corrections that were left over for the previous
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CB negotiations, but we had went ahead and opened them just in case that they were affected by the compressed calendar.
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And then there are some major changes that we had with other articles, as many of you have heard in Article 4. We have a faster, easier part, faculty, eligibility for health benefits.
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Article 6.
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Now we have payments.
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Which are worth one weeks worth of class. If you are a non-contract faculty whose course is cancelled or reassigned less than 2 weeks before the start of a semester without being reassigned a new class.
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Then also in Article 6, we protected the class cap and wait lists so that they cannot exceed the seating capacity of a room. They're really working hard to try to change that. But we fought and saved that.
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For Article 11. We have a better timeline for tenure, which will fit into the compressed calendar.
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We also achieved getting pay in case there's an off-contract tenure committee meeting that has to occur at the end of the semester. And so we felt like that, that was really important for our members.
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Thanks.
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We also maintain the threshold for evaluations and observations to occur for faculty teaching short-term courses at 40%. They wanted to change that, and we, we fought hard. We did. We felt like 40% was
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good.
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Especially in a compressed calendar. Sorry you're watching me fight with my zoom screens. Okay.
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And then for Article 12, we gave more time for new part-time faculty before
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evaluations begin
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for new part time, faculty.
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Are there any questions about that?
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I'm going to stop sharing, just so I can see everybody. So if you have a question, if you would turn your camera on, and then I'll know.
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No questions?
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Thanks, man.
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Okay. Great. I'm going to keep going.
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So what's left?
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Under compressed academic calendar negotiations, we have Article 3, Article 5 and Article 9, which is the academic calendar.
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So for Article 3, the gains that we've gotten so far that we've got them to agree to is no reduction in salaries
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or hourly rate of pay occur as a result of the district converting to a compressed academic calendar.
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So when we convert from a 17.5 week
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semester to a 16 week, no one will make less pay.
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Non-classroom faculty may include as contract days those days between the end of fall semester, and the beginning of the Winter Intersession, days between the end of the Winter Intersession and the beginning of the Spring semester, with the approval of their dean. So this is a part of what was already there in the CBA. In the CBA, we just had to add these to it because of the winter term.
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So all of what was there before is going to remain the same.
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Then for non-contract faculty, they may use either one winter or one summer intersession as a semester for step advancement on the salary schedule.
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Unfortunately, it's still may only, they still may only use 2 semesters for academic year, but we got them to include the option for faculty to use winter term. And there's several reasons that that's an advantage for people.
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It just gives people more options. Any coach of a college-approved sport with a scheduled practice session, or athletic contest during fall, winter, spring or summer recesses will be compensated on a non-contract extra hourly assignment as long as they're not assigned an extra hourly assignment or stipend for being a Nonconforming course, and I'll talk a little bit more about
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that in a little bit. What's good about this is that in the, in the current contract
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this only applied to head coaches. So now it applies to any coach who is coaching during these recesses, and we feel like that's a big win.
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We've requested.
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One thing that's holding up
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Article 3
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And nobody really knew this. We've been doing this the entire time, but now we're coming to the end, and it's kind of holding it up. So we're like, all right. Let's let them know. We've requested that all faculty receive a one-time stipend
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for converting to a compressed calendar. This includes full, this includes full-time faculty. This includes part-time faculty. This includes instructional and non-instructional. So all faculty. We have requested that you receive the stipend for doing all the work that we know is going to come
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when we start the transition. They continue to not accept that so we'll see how that goes. But we are pushing for it.
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Yeah. It's gonna be a lot of frickin' work.
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It is, and I don't know who just said that but turn your mic off, because I don't know if you knew it was on. And it is going to be a lot of work. All faculty who must. Here's
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something else about Article 9. So now we're in Article 9, we're moving on to Academic calendar.
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All faculty who must teach due to state or national requirements during self-assigned flex-day activities without additional compensation, shall be exempt from required self-assigned flex time, if that is scheduled. So if the, if that has to occur on our flex days, we're having lots of problems with some of our faculty who had to work during flex days due to like,
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like state regulations and stuff. And so they were having to come to AFT and having to create like MOU's and stuff. And so we thought it would just be best to get that in the contract so that we could avoid a lot of work for people, because sometimes they have to work based off if they're doing like an off-site. For instance, nursing. And this is when the hospital is available for them to do clinicals. And so they couldn't take that flex day off. This just allows that makes that process
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easier for them.
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We have also, if you heard me before, as I mentioned before, we've created, we're working with the district. We're not quite there, but we're almost done with a pilot work group to identify nonconforming courses, disciplines, or programs who may not fit into a 16 week compressed calendar and to create a process for the future. So in other words, we're going create a pilot to identify
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programs, disciplines and courses before we go into a compressed calendar. And then that work group will also create a process for future courses, disciplines or programs that may not fit into a compressed calendar. So this gives flexibility and, and
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we're really close on this.
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This has actually been kind of fun to develop because we, we feel like we worked well
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to come up with an idea. This is something we created that's completely new. You won't see this in any other
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CBA for any of the colleges who are currently on compressed calendar. So we're very excited about this, and look forward to what opportunities, what opportunities this brings our faculty.
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I'm going stop sharing again and ask.
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Are there any questions about this? If there are, please just turn on your mic, or turn and turn on your
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Your camera and ask.
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No one.
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Can I ask. (Kamelia Algiers)
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I don't know if you can tell us or not. But what is the holdup on the stipend? Why do they? Do they not think that we should get paid for the time we're going to spend to change and go into a 16 week. (Kamelia Algiers)
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I'm not allowed to say that right now, because we're not done with closing it.
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I just know that
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We continue, I would say that we passed this article back and forth at least 4 times.
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And so 3 or 4 times, and so we're still,
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We're still working that out.
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So we're really trying hard to do that.
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Okay.
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So anybody else?
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Okay. Great. I'm going keep going.
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Maybe. Okay.
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So now we get to Article 5, which is the big one.
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This is, this is what's been holding us up the entire time.
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We've been requesting for months for the district to explain how they will determine the length of class meetings.
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And so at first, in January, when we started, there was the term linked multiplier, which is based on how many flex days are scheduled outside of the weeks of instruction within a district.
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And so, as many of you may have seen, and some of our older surveys, we were trying to explain that. And it's a very convoluted, complicated process.
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Then in March, at our meeting in March, on March 13th we were informed about the new standard attendance, accounting method,
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where the term link multiplier would no longer be used to calculate a portion, and we were told that it didn't matter where your flex days fell.
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Finally.
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We were told that the standard attendance accounting method would be on hold
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until the Department of Finance approved it. So that was like in April or May, or maybe June.
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So, and we hadn't given them a calendar or done anything so.
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That put kinks in things because it defined how we could schedule the calendar.
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Did we have to focus on where we put the flex days? Could we put the flex days, sprinkle them throughout the academic year? And so it, it became quite contentious. It also
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defined how long the classes had to be. So we just kept asking, How are you going to do this? How are you going to do this?
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So that you have a better understanding of that.
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I'm going show you a presentation that the district shared with us, and this was given at the State Legisl, the State Legislature. I'm not good with that word, their 1st reading by the California community colleges, Chancellor's office. And this was a because this was making changes to title 5.
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And so if you want to view that announcement, you can click, we’re going to post this. And so I created the actual links in the document.
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And if you want to view the presentation, you'll be able to go back and look at it on your own and view it.
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So I put links there. We were also given the documents below that showed the proposed revisions to Title 5, and then
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On August the 14th we were given the final revisions to Title 5.
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And again I will make those
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available to all of you, so that you can go, and you can view those on your own.
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Here's the proposed model for the new standardized attendance counting method. Before,
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there was a different census
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method used to account apportionment for courses that were weekly census
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Which is courses that were offered across all of the weeks of a semester. So, in other words, we're in a 17.5 week semester now, so courses that were scheduled for 17.5 weeks, then for, like short term courses or courses that were not scheduled for the full 17.5 they will, they were scheduled using daily census, or that's how the apportionment was calculated for them.
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Then we used to have apportionment that was called alternative attendance accounting, and this was used for DE courses.
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Well, now all of those courses will use one form of apportionment.
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A method to calculate that apportionment. And it's going to be based on the standardized hours based on the core.
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Times the number of students at census. That's not supporting, we're not trying to teach you how to do census as much as what we want to point out is this.
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The standard hour for units of lecture is now 18.
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So, although our cores are based off of a 17.5 week semester,
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they're going get apportionment for a full 18 week semester for including, and it doesn't matter how the course is offered whether it's DE whether it's weekly census or whether it's short term course, it will all be based off of the same calculation. That's important to know, and I'll, I'll get there later.
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I just kind of want to walk you through this, because then I'll show you like where we saw things and where we saw concerns.
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So I've already kind of explained that moving on.
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So here's an example from what we got.
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And this is just where they were trying to explain how it was laid out.
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For instance, you have a 3 unit history class. That's
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History 101, and it's to full term
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They show us what the schedule is, and this goes back to, this is their term link, multiplier.
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For those of you who can't read this really easy. The 4 tells me immediately that they had 4 flex days
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Set outside of the weeks of instruction within their whole academic year. That's just the fastest way to do it.
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And their range was 48 to 54.
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And so they're going use that 54 standard hours. Again, I want to point out in our core that we use 52.5 as our standard hours.
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Now notice what happens in an 8 week course. They use the same 54 standard hours to calculate the FTES.
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One of our 1st questions when they offered this to us was, Will we need to change our core?
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Well, let me keep going. Here's on a different slide of that presentation where it talks about the benefits of this new standardized attendance, accounting method.
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What we want to point you out to is this.
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This significant improvement and flexible and equitable scheduling which we already have.
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Values the workload associated with each course section based on the core hours for a course.
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The same learning occurs in a 3-unit lecture course, whether it is scheduled at 48 hours, or 54 hours, and we interpret that to mean, if we do the same amount of learning in that time, we also can do the same, it also takes the same amount of facilitation to make that learning happen so.
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It really doesn't change how much we as faculty work.
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But one of the most important things that I want you to see.
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Is it says that simulations across multiple districts demonstrated that FTES reported for 2022-2023 would have increased by 1% to 3% using this new funding model.
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Okay. So on, so on August 14.th
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The district informed us that the new standardized attendance accounting method was approved by the Department of Finance.
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But they could not produce any documentation that verified that approval. All that they would give us are the 2, or this presentation. And then there was a link to the finalized revisions to title 5.
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My team is amazing. I have people on here that I've like, go find this across the world on Tuesday, and it happens this way they could find it, and they couldn't find anything where it showed then validated that this has been approved.
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The district stated it was chaptered into title 5.
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We asked if faculty would be forced to change the course to all courses to show the range, and the district stated “no” but there was still no guidance from the Chancellor's office as to whether or not we would have to do that.
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So, as a part of Article 5, we proposed a chart calculating class meeting links according to the weekly contact hours.
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And so it's. And this isn't necessarily a picture of the chart for compressed calendar. But we did do a chart for the current 17.5, and we have one that looks exactly like it, with a little more, with a little different information
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For the compressed calendar.
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And so what that does is it shows you example time blocks.
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It shows you how many instructional minutes those time blocks are, and we do it for both: a 1 day, for a course that meets one day, and for a course that has 2 meetings per the same week.
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And then what we do is we show you the range. Here's the range that Title 5 says is in place for each of these different weekly contact hours. So the range for a con for let's just use something that's very common for a 3 unit course is the course must meet over the over a semester anywhere between 48 hours and 54 hours total.
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And this is important, and we'll and I'll get there in just a little bit.
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We asked how the district would be doing it. How will you calculate
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the class meetings in this new compressed calendar?
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Are we using the term link multiplier? Or are we using the new standardized attendance accounting methods?
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And they the only thing we got, and then what formula are you going use? Because whichever way you go that dictates how you, or the options you have for calculating that class meeting.
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And again, we'd ask them for 2 meetings before, and it wasn't until this past Monday that they finally gave us the formula.
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And that's only because we had come up with the formula in a different way for something else.
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And so basically, it really wasn't them giving us the formula. It was us giving them the formula and saying, “Is this what you're using?”
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And they said, “Yes.”
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But they failed to provide an accurate, accurate term link
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for us to use that formula correctly.
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Here, and what prompted us to do this is, here's what the district gave us. We asked them for a conversion chart. Okay? And so it, you see, the elements that we mentioned earlier. Here's a traditional, and they're saying 18 week. And we find that confusing because we all only teach 17.5.
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Here's what they're giving us or what we're currently using.
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And then we looked at here's and then this is what they gave us for a compressed calendar.
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I think it's really important. And so I would kind of pop this in over here is that you look at the total student contact hour range that's in Title 5.
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Okay. So now again, here's the compressed calendar that they calculated and gave us as an example.
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The 1st thing I want to point out is the total weekly student contact hours for this whole semester
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would be out of the range.
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Because notice, the total here is 20.8.
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But the range is actually 16 to 18.
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And the next line, which is a 2-credit course.
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Notice again. The range for a two-credit course is 32 to 36 hours over the entire semester.
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Notice the range that they give it gave us is 36.8.
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Or 41.6, so even the lowest version is out
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of the range that Title 5 allows.
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Then, if you look at a 4-credit course, the range is supposed to be 64 to 72.
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The 1st range, it fits within it, but the last one is 73.6. It does not.
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The reason you see 2 ranges in this conversion chart
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Is when you do 2-day a week courses they don't always add up
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when you start using a term Link multiplier
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And so you have to be really careful that your one time or your classes that meet one day a week
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Compared to your classes, that
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Let me start over.
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Classes that meet one day a week are pretty easy to keep within the target range.
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Classes that meet 2-days a week
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And that's where the district and the model that they created is getting in trouble.
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Because of how long they're scheduling their classes
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Their meeting over the target range for the semester, which
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If you look at all of the materials which you have links to, and you can all Google yourselves. They warn about that. And they also give you options for what to do when that ha- when that occurs.
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So here's our concerns.
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We want a clear and transparent method
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For what are the units of measurements
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Of all aspects of the formula for calculating the length of class meetings
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And for calculating wages?
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Because if you miscalculate one
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It affects the other.
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And my zoom screen.
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So, negotiating a clear, consistent, scheduling formula calculations so we know how to schedule classes for all classes across the district.
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This dictates how many teaching minutes for each class session.
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We're also negotiating a consistent number of hours of instruction for all classes. Are we negotiating that
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the total contact hours for a semester is going be 48, or is it 52.5? 52.5 is what's listed in our cores
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That all faculty will get paid the same manner consistently.
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What we mean by that is, Kami and I are teaching the same class.
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Kami is getting paid to teach the class, and she and, and we make the same amount. We're on the same step.
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Kami gets the
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work for 48 hours, and they're asking me to work for 54 hours.
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And we're both making the same amount of money.
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And that means that I, because I'm having to work 54 hours over the semester, I'm teaching longer than what Kami is. And if they do with this with multiple classes, that means that several hours that you could be working over
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Then a colleague within the same discipline.
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This dictates how you get paid, or how you calculate a full time loan, or how you get paid for your hourly assignments.
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We also need a clear and transparent, or what we're trying to negotiate is new parameters on hours and days a week faculty may be scheduled to teach. We want to make sure. Currently the contract says 7am to 5pm is when they can schedule us Monday through Friday, unless we have an agreement to work outside of that.
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And so this thing, so
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How they schedule the classes
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can dictate whether or not all faculty will be able to meet their contractual, especially full-time faculty will be able to meet their contractual obligations between 7 and 5 pm. Because that's what that's who that rule applies to.
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So, after presenting this to you,
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Do you agree
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But these are valid concerns? Were you
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If, and I know that many of you have your cameras off.
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But I can see you and you, you as participants.
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Does that concern you? And if so, can you kind of give me a thumbs up?
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And if you can't have a thumbs up you can put a thumbs up in the chat. That would be very helpful. But I just need to know. Are you worried about this like we're worried about this?
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Okay. So if you have questions,
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could you please turn on your
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Can you please at least turn on your mic and speak up, or turn on your camera.
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Nathan. (Teresa Bonham)
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And our, and yes.
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There's a couple questions in the chat. (Teresa Bonham)
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Can you read this to me, or can you ask me them?
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Or or unless they want to reach. So the 1st ones from Sylvia. Sylvia, do you want to ask it?(Teresa Bonham)
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All right. I'll read it. (Teresa Bonham)
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Are the amount of days non-instructional (Teresa Bonham)
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going to work changing? (Teresa Bonham?)
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So let me hold you
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Changing because.
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So so far, no.
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So far, no.
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Okay. Thank.
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Do you want to take it, Sylvia? (Teresa Bonham)
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Yeah, it seems a little (Silva Arzunyan)
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Off-topic, and less concerning what you just brought up. But (Silva Arzunyan)
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I, I did want to know, because I was surprised to see that they even did bring forward (Silva Arzunyan)
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decreasing the amount of paid given that we're not decreasing the amount of work that we're doing. (Silva Arzunyan)
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So I just wanted to see if (Silva Arzunyan)
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That came up at all. (Silva Arzunyan)
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Silva, that we immediately started
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Advocating that we would not lose pay for converting.
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Okay. (Silva Arzunyan)
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And so that was never really a,
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never seemed to be a concern from the moment we started they immediately were like, no, no, that's not what our intent is.
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Okay. (Silva Arzunyan)
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And so we got them to agree on that pretty early in the process. As far as I know, that there are, there are some faculty who are DSPS.
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That would be me. (Silva Arzunyan)
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Thank you. (Silva Arzunyan)
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And we are. You are on our radar. And so we're. And so as we're trying to negotiate Article 5. And this schedule, you are people that we are worried about, and for those of you don't understand Learning Disability Specialists oftentimes have teaching, and they also have non-instructional as part of their whole assignment. And so they're so we're definitely
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looking at and we've asked about. We've actually got some of your schedules. And when what does this look like in a compressed calendar? And we're waiting on them to get back to us.
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I appreciate that. And then just another moment to, to help (Silva Arzunyan)
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Tie in how this impacts (Silva Arzunyan)
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the, the classes, and then and then the students. My concerns are being prepared, and having accommodations and working (Silva Arzunyan)
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With instructional faculty in a timely manner, so that we're not running out of time. So really, a compressed calendar creates (Silva Arzunyan)
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more work. And I, I wanted to point that out. Thank you. (Silva Arzunyan)
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And we recognize that which is why we were like we needed faculty will need a a stipend to figure out all this, because it's going to be extra work
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To do that transition.
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Maria, did you have a question.
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Mariana.
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Hi, yeah, I do have a question about the formula. I'm not a mathematician, so I cannot come up with a formula myself, but I was wondering. I mean, there are no secret formulas right? Other districts can we borrow one that works for like most districts? And what's going on with that formula? (Mariana)
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Exactly. And and we've we've asked those we've asked that same question. We're just like, so how are you doing this? What are you going to do? So exactly. It's not a secret formula. We just need to know which one you're using.
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So.
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Agreed. Anybody else.
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The next question is from Jamie. Jamie, do you want to read your question, or do you want me to. (Teresa Bonham)
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No, I I'll read my question. No problem. I noticed that you seemed very concerned that there would be an equity in workload. (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Versus (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Pay for this way that you go about (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Identifying or (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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The hourly (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Formulation (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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To create what is required for workwise, but I see (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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No difference in that related to what (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Some of us are dealing with (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Who have loads right now (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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That more than 75% is the lab load, and we are only receiving (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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85% credit. And so we're having to work (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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30% more than everybody else (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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So you seem all concerned about (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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What would happen to you right now (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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But no one has ever (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Actually advocated for us (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Jamie? Just so, you know. So I, I assume you said 85%. So you so you're a faculty member who teaches enhanced labs. Correct.
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I'm that article E (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Where I am at (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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85%. Well, more than (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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85% of my load (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Comes from lab (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Okay, so is that an I, so do you teach
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The enhanced labs? Or do you teach the activity labs?
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I guess you consider it the enhanced labs, I think, because it's under the article E. (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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So can I ask your discipline?
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It's enhanced. (Christina Lee)
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Yes, so it's nursing. (Jamee L Maxey-D’Angelo)
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Oh, so, Jamie, yes. So, Jamie, I teach theater. So you get the 85%. We get 75%. So that's definitely so we're so we're definitely concerned about that one. And so we've given them not only science or people who are work as on the enhanced or whose classes are enhanced. We've also given them people whose classes are activities. So I'm the chief.
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So I'm definitely concerned about it, because I'm getting paid less than what you are for some of the classes. So it is on our radar. It's not necessarily something that we could deal with in this negotiations, but it doesn't mean that it's not anything that we're not looking at to address in the full CBA Reopener.
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So it is on our radar, but
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They wanted us to focus particularly on compressed calendar. However, the point that you brought up
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We have already brought that up.
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So thank you for reinforcing that what we did was right. We appreciate that.
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Alright, Nathan, I got a bunch more online. Patty, do you want to ask your question? (Teresa Bonham)
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Sure. It's just about load and so my question was, if we chose to teach a course during the winter intersession, would our load decrease during the Spring? Or is winter intersession considered overload? (Patty Colman)
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So winter intersession will be treated exactly like Summer intersession.
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So you, none, nobody will be forced to teach during winter session. It will be a voluntary assignment, just like summer.
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Sylvia has another question. (Teresa Bonham)
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Perhaps the information I have is outdated at this point in time, but years back I had asked from district (Silva Arzunyan)
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Proof that, making all of these changes before we were voting (Silva Arzunyan)
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Making all of these changes, and adding winter was going to be substantially to the district (Silva Arzunyan)
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As a whole. (Silva Arzunyan)
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Like, what's the ROI on this? (Silva Arzunyan)
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And actually, I was surprised to find out that they didn't even have data that showed adding winter was going to increase FTES. (Silva Arzunyan)
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We're making all of these changes was a substantial benefit. (Silva Arzunyan)
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So I'm wondering if we're at a different place. Now, what is (Silva Arzunyan)
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the upside of all of this? (Silva Arzunyan)
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Teresa, you want to answer that question of how they, what they've been saying?
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Well, they don't really know for sure. Some people made money before, but nobody knows what's going to happen in the future. That about sum it up Nathan? (Teresa Bonham)
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That's pretty much it. We just don't know. We've been showed, we've been showed various different versions of what could and could not happen. But what they said is that they don't feel that they're going to get any increase from this.
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Thank you.
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Mariana has her hand up.
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Question. (Mariana)
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But before. But before Mariana, before we, is there anybody who we haven't had ask any questions that would like to ask a question?
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Maria has her hand up. (Teresa Bonham)
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Maria.
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I do thank you very much. So I have a question with regards to the winter proposed session. We currently in spring, prepare for summer and fall, early registration. The amount of students that come in for clearance (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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Is substantial. How are we going to address now? Also adding, on (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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The winter session for those that come in (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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To get clear for early Reg (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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That I foresee that adding on to our workload numbers, hours, etc. Is there any additional (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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Support for us, pay, all those great things? (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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Angelica, do you want to take that? Do you want to take that question?
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Sure, we brought that up as a concern, especially after the survey, and why we did the survey for non instructional. (Angelica)
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Their answer keeps being that it's (Angelica)
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up to the supervisors and the management on each campus, because each campus kind of operates differently and (Angelica)
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Support wiser, trying to give us kind of other (Angelica)
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Options, but never pinning down that they’re (Angelica)
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Going to guarantee support. (Angelica)
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They just do recognize that it will (Angelica)
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Bring more work in terms of clearances, pre-reqs, (Angelica)
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For next semester priority reg, and all of that. (Angelica)
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The moment that that survey closed,
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We went through and took everybody's responses, and we compiled them into common questions. And then some of them were common. That's a really good question. We need to make sure that's included. And we presented them, and we presented them to them in negotiations.
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And so, and we tried to put some of it that we felt
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Was affected by the contract into that. And we also were like, we need you to answer this because it's really, it's really worrying our non-instructional faculty. So.
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Thank you. (Maria Lourdes Reyes-Sanchez)
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Nathan, Jennifer has a question in the chat. Jennifer, do you want to ask it? (Teresa Bonham)
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The last time we negotiated salary was in 2022. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Inflation in 2022, 23, and thus far in 24, (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Totals, 15.4%. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Many people are concerned that the AFT language we're hearing is that we (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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We won't get a reduction in pay, but we should be getting cost of living increases. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Can you hold that thought until I get because I just want to answer questions about what I presented? And then I'm going to present to you what we're proposing in the
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The salary 3 reopener.
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Which is separate from the big CBA. And then, when I get there, Jennifer, if you still have a question, will you please raise it then?
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Mariana, you had a second question.
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Yeah, I have a question. I mean, if each campus is going operate differently based on management decisions, I can see, like exodus of chancellors or other people going where they get the most support. So, it seems very irrational that the district cannot make policy about these things. (Mariana)
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Like, you know a bit chaotic. (Mariana)
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We don't disagree. We don't disagree. We're like, we're, we're in there, and we're, we're advocating. But it's really about.
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We can't force them.
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So. Is there any other questions, or can I move on to the next about the article 3?
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Okay, I'm going to move on.
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And if we need to we'll come back.
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So we've already done the questions. I got a little ahead of myself.
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So. Oh, by the way, I wanted.
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You're not showing that on here. (Kamelia Algiers)
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Oh, sorry!
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Thanks.
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I mean.
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You’d think I was a new zoom user.
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Okay.
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Alright!
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So right now, we have meetings scheduled for September the 3rd and September the 6th.
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We don't know how close we are to wrapping it up, but you hear some of the concerns.
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By the way, for all, for many of you who are speaking about like non-instructional and stuff, all of that is wrapped into Article 5. So that's where we are.
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Note that the district is trying to wrap up negotiations before the next Board meeting.
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So, here's what we've done. So we this is Article 3 Reopener.
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We sent our initial proposal to them, I believe, August the 22nd.
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And here's what we asked for.
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We asked them to increase all faculty salary schedules by funded COLA.
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And 13% effective, July 1st 2024. 7% effective, July 1st 2025 and 7% effective July 1st 2026.
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In addition to the salary increase, we ask them to increase the following.
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The number of Years of Service Longevity Increment steps.
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Right now they start at year 16. So you have to be with the district 16 years before you
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Get as Years of Service Longevity Increment.
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Differential is that I guess the best way to describe it. And we've also asked them to increase the percentages on that. So, if you look in Article 3, and you look at the end of the contract faculty salary schedule, you will see
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The service increments
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To the far left. Do not confuse that with salary steps to the far, to the right. We're just talking about what is to the left.
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And so
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Because the steps that are on the right would be affected by the increases that you see here, or above.
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And so we've, and if you look at those Years of Service Longevity Increments, they start with class one, step one. We've asked them to start with class one, step 5.
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We also asking, we're also asking or proposing that they increase all the other salary schedules by 5 steps.
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Currently they're they stop at Step 7, and we're asking them to increase them.
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We've also asked for COLA, cost of living adjustment.
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If the district receives an approved
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And funded COLA by the State that just the district will allocate 100%
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Towards the salary schedules of all faculty.
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And should cola revenues be increased as a result of retroactive calculations performed by the State champions office.
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Such adjustment to show up the apply to the salary schedules.
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And then next year, along with any
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New collect.
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So that is what we are requesting
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For the salary reopener.
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Are there any questions about that? Does that cover your
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Question from earlier, Jennifer?
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So what percentage of COLA has been funded (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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By the State since 2022? (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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I, I don't know. We would have to look that up. But what we're asking for, whatever COLA is happening.
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So like I think it was like 1 point, something right now.
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We're asking for that to be automatically put into the salary increase.
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Plus, those percentages increase that you saw.
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Because we can't go back and ask them to retroactively do something from 2022. But we can definitely ask for it moving forward.
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We can point out what they didn't give us back in 2022. But unfortunately, I haven't had time to start to fully dig into that because we're trying to wrap up
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Compressed calendar. But we have started doing our research on various things for that. And so we're starting to uncover more and more.
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Kami, you have a question.
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Yeah. So you're saying, you're, I have 2 questions. You're asking for COLA like every year to just give us whatever COLA they receive rather than I think what's been happening in the past is that we have to like, (Kamelia Algiers)
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Like negotiate COLA, and almost like give something up to get the COLA for the year. But we’re just (Kamelia Algiers)
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Trying to ask, is that correct? We're saying like, when you get it, just (Kamelia Algiers)
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Pass it along to your people. (Kamelia Algiers)
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Correct? (Kamelia Algiers)
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Correct.
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Okay. And then was (Kamelia Algiers)
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The salary (Kamelia Algiers)
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That is that where the lab pay thing would also come up? Or is that somewhere else. (Kamelia Algiers)
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That we're going to do the lab pay. Are you talking about?
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One to one lab pay?
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Yes. (Kamelia Algiers)
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We, we want to tackle that in the Major CBA Reopener.
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Because it's a part of actually, it's a part of Article 5.
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And so it's not a part of Article 3, so we really couldn't attack it.
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So.
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You have a question from Patty Colman. (Teresa Bonham)
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Patty. (Teresa Bonham)
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Patty.
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Yeah, just a quick one. I'm just wondering if the district countered that offer yet (Patty Colman)
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Oh, no, we have not heard from them, but you know it's only been a week so.
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But they were hoping to wrap this up before the next Board of Trustees meeting? (Patty Colman)
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There now, that is a separate negotiation. So we're talking about 2 separate negotiations. Compressed calendar, they're hoping to wrap up by the next board meeting.
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Got it. Thank you. (Patty Colman)
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We so and so, the article 3 Reopener is something completely different. I have a completely different team for that. Well, not completely. But my team is a little different for that, and it's not quite as extensive.
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Your next question is from Stacy Graham. (Teresa Bonham)
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Stacy.
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Oh, mine wasn't a question. I was just saying, Bravo! I just don't understand how that COLA ever got negotiated away. I mean, I never understood why we wouldn't get money from the State that is (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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Given to us, and then they keep it so bravo! Team like, let's keep our fingers crossed and hope it works. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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We'll see, we're doing the best we can. We really are. We're, we're pretty impressed.
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Sheeta Edwards pointed out that the COLA at the State is 1.07%. Thank you, Sheeta. (Teresa Bonham)
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Lois, do you have a question. (Teresa Bonham)
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Lois, you, you here? (Teresa Bonham)
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While we're waiting on Lois, I want to point out what Rachel messenger
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Wrote in her chat, she wrote, it was negotiated away in exchange for not having a cap on health benefits. When we're talking about COLA, how is that ever negotiated? That was why it was negotiated away.
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So that we didn't have a cap and have to pay for our health insurance. That's the history.
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Okay? Lois's question looks like a statement. (Teresa Bonham)
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Oh, I see! And so I think I can answer that. So Lois.
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Once you reach step 15
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In the salary schedule, no matter which class you're in
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That's the step you remain at.
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And so if you look at that chart that's below, you remain at that step until you get to 16 years of service.
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There is no step 16.
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But you do get the step increases if you can, but you will also get the step increases.
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Or not, the step increases. You will get that
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The Years of Service.
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I can never say it right. I have to always look at, because it's like.
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I don't know where they came up that, the longevity.
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Service increments. (Teresa Bonham)
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There you go, the Longevity Service Increments.
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But notice that you're kind of caught. So, Lois, you're kind of caught in this cat in this kind of void. Once you reach that 15, especially if you come in on a higher step when you're 1st hired. You're kind of stuck in this void until you reach
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16 years of service. So that's why we asked them to increase the number to add a step for service increments.
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That starts at year 11. So for those of us who are caught in that void, it kind of
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Makes up that difference.
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I hope that answers or addresses your question. Does anybody else have a question?
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There's 1 more from Jennifer in the chat. Jennifer. (Teresa Bonham)
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Venturi, the V triple CD has been receiving money for part-time faculty salary compensation for 6 years. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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How is AFT working to get that money to part time faculty? (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Do you see the increase that we are requesting, and that information which you have provided to us in the past. We're using that.
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So we thank you because we're going to be using that to support our requests.
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And then.
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So is there. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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I'm sorry. Go ahead. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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No, no.
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Go ahead!
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So is there. Are there any efforts to (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Make sure that part-time faculty that have been treated so inequitably for so long. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Are getting that, or is it all just going to be lumped in so that (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Everybody's sort of benefiting from that. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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No, if you look, Jennifer, if you go back to my slide.
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Yeah, we can't see the slides right now, but I'm happy to go back. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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I'm going take, I'm going to take you back.
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I appreciate that. Thank you. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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If you look, Jennifer.
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Do you see here where it says, all other faculty salary schedules are increased by 5 steps?
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That's all part-time.
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That's all non-contract salary schedules.
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Oh, okay. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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We're asking them to increase 5 steps
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Beyond. So right now there's a 3rd There's like a
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A cap at 7, at step 7. We're asking for 5 additional ones.
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Okay, thank you. Yeah. It doesn't say part time there. So, yeah, I needed the explanation. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Yeah, you're welcome.
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Cari has her hand up. (Teresa Bonham)
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Cari.
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I have a question about the service longevity increments. (Cari Lange)
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So has the Union addressed the issue? Once we've reached the bottom of the scale. (Cari Lange)
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They are making us hold to pay back the (Cari Lange)
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The step that we came in. (Cari Lange)
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So let's say we came in at a 5. (Cari Lange)
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Once we hit 15. It's not that we just have to wait one year. They're making us wait 5. (Cari Lange)
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That's the void I'm talking about. I'm in that void, too. So that's why we're trying to get those service increments.
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Okay, so. (Cari Lange)
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Not just the. (Cari Lange)
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To try this, so to try to address that.
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Because this.
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Are we going to be (Cari Lange)
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Retroactively paid for the years that we haven't been getting that increase? (Cari Lange)
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We'll see.
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Because it's been several years for me where I've got nothing. (Cari Lange)
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We understand. But that's why it's on our radar, and that's why we're putting it in. So we'll
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So retroactive pay.
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Because.
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We'll see how it goes. But that's why we're asking for it, because there's several of us that are right there beside you.
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Great. Thank you. (Cari Lange)
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You're welcome. It's like, yep, standing there to totally understand. It's like I got a lot of people going. Blah blah! You don't get totally understand? Totally understand?
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So.
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Nathan. There's a question from Sile the chat. (Teresa Bonham)
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You want to ask your question? (Teresa Bonham)
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I think it's Sile.
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Sure.
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Oh, still I'm sorry.
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Perfect.
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Well, Sile
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It's it's well, it's actually Sile. But it looks like there's an H that's not there. Yeah, it's Gaelic, like old Irish. So that's what (Sile Bassi)
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What happened (Sile Bassi)
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I am just wondering. Is there a way to tie? It seems like (Sile Bassi)
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The district is really motivated to wrap up the compressed calendar. (Sile Bassi)
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Is there a way to tie (Sile Bassi)
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That motivation in with the salary reopener? (Sile Bassi)
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So that they'd be motivated to move them that way? (Sile Bassi)
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We think that that would be a very bad idea, because they would use one to play against the other.
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Got it. (Sile Bassi)
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Okay. (Sile Bassi)
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And then could I ask one more question? I was about to type it. (Sile Bassi)
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So I rode that void that you're talking about for a really long time, and I finally got out of it. (Sile Bassi)
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And I was so, so, so happy. (Sile Bassi)
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So, for, for those of us who are on the other side of the void, when you're talking about retroactive, do we get. (Sile Bassi)
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You know? Do we get (Sile Bassi)
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Pain and suffering to riding the void, or just (Sile Bassi)
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I don't know, if I say I, I don't know. I don't see that that I mean getting money, but what we have asked is for that increment to increase.
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Okay. (Sile Bassi)
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So, so that pay that you're getting now. We've asked for it rather than to be
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We're asking for the percentages to be increased. And we're asking them for the for them to base that percentage off of a different step.
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Got it. Okay. (Sile Bassi)
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So you would immediately get a boost.
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Oh, I love it! Thank you. (Sile Bassi)
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Per the offer. (Sile Bassi)
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Well, but I, I just want everyone to remember. This is just a proposal.
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I know. (Sile Bassi)
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We can't guarantee, and I don't want everybody to run out and tell everybody. This is what they're. Going to they said that they're going to get.
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Nope, that's not what we're saying. We're saying. This is what we propose. Let's see what happens. But part of that is really going be about all of you.
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Like, what are you going be? It's really going take you and your colleagues in your departments to step up and help us put pressure on them to say, Hey, you need to give us a raise. You need to do these things. All of these things have been that we've heard this evening have been occurring from.
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For a very long time. What are you going do to make this right.
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And again, we will be there to advocate for you. But it helps if you're there, right behind us, advocating for yourself and getting your colleagues to join you as well.
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Anything else.
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We have another. We have a question from Stacy in the chat. Stacy you want to ask your question, please. (Teresa Bonham)
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I feel like Roz.
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Yeah, I was just wondering, does the Union utilize an attorney when you're doing negotiations? I mean, I only ask because (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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Husband’s in the private sector. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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And he was. He was like, well, please use attorneys. I'm like I don't know. I mean (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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I'm a communication instructor and (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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I have debate experience, but I wouldn't feel qualified (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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To negotiate. So I'm just wondering, do we have (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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An attorney at our disposal or at your disposal, like, are (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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Yeah.
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You know. Good. I'm glad to hear that. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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I used to do debate, too, or not do debate. But yes, so.
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Trust me, I teach theater, and here I am, your chief negotiator. Here we go, so.
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Yeah, there, you go. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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But.
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I mean. And that comment, that question has nothing to do. I mean, I think you guys are doing a great job. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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Are you trying to? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say?
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I'm just saying, like, I think that you guys need support if you don't have it. But if you have it, I'm glad to hear that. That's, that's all I'm saying. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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We have support. We not only have support from an attorney that we have on retainer, but we also have CF behind us.
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Yes. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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And so, and there's, and we have all of their resources as well. So when we have questions or we don't know what to do, we have places to go.
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Okay. Great. Good to hear. Thank you. (Stacy Sloan Graham)
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You're welcome.
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Any other questions.
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I want to say, thank you all for coming. We really, really appreciate it.
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It really helped me to see how many of you have the same concerns that we do
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About Article 5 that will help us, and when we go into those negotiations next week.
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If you have questions or concerns, as you saw, a lot of the team is here tonight, you've, we've sent that list out numerous times. You can ask anyone on the team, you can email me and we'll be happy to answer those and get them back to you. We're going post this along with the video. Would you please encourage your colleagues to at least like watch the video or, or look at the Powerpoint, and just so that they can
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Be up to date on where we are and what's going on. It would be very helpful, and we would really appreciate it.
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Please.
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Thank you.
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Excuse me, Nathan. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Yes.
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Just to tag on with what Stacy had said. You had mentioned. You have an attorney on retainer. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Are you? (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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That's just somebody who's sitting there, but not. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Doing anything. I mean, I've had lawyers on retainer. Do you actually have a lawyer who is sitting down going through (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Case, law and (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Legislative, law (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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On a on a perpetual basis, so that everything is up to date when you're going in there. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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It's a different question than do you have a lawyer on Retainer? It's a completely different question. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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We are not working. We have not been working with a lawyer on compressed calendar.
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No.
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If we have questions we do. We have our lawyer, and we can ask them.
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And how about on salary negotiations? (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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No, we do not have a lawyer lined up, but as far as that goes, we have our lawyer on retainers, so that when we add, when we have questions, we can go to them.
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I think now's your time. I think it's time to (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Get that person off of retainer. And really (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Really start working on those on those (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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On those issues (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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V Triple CD has been behind for so long, and I think that Stacy's right. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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You know (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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We're doing the best that you guys are all doing the best that you can as (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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As faculty members. But this work of negotiation (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Is the work of an attorney, and we especially full-time faculty, pay very high dues (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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And you need to be utilizing the money that you're getting in dues (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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To lawyer up and make sure you're getting the best contract possible and not worrying about (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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You know the savings, or whatever (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Buying a building, or whatever you need to be, making sure that the money from those are actually getting to your constituents who are paying their dues (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Thank you, Jennifer. You came in. You brought that same statement to the EC. So they've heard you, and they're listening. So I'm not sure
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If you didn't think we heard you.
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During our meeting. I think that was what in August, but we did so. Thank you.
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My pleasure. Thank you. (Jennifer Ellsworth)
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Thank you. Nathan. (Kamelia Algiers)
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Anybody else.
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Thank you. You're very welcome. So everybody have a good night. Thank you for coming. We really appreciate it. And again, we'll post this to our website just as soon as possible. Thank you.
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Goodnight. (Kamelia Algiers)
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